The second interview had a national resonance

Derrel Sims and Lavinia Pallotta (Thanks to Sentinel Foundation)

Who is Derrel Sims?

I’m a hypnotic therapist and also a full time UFO investigator (I’m a lycensed private investigator stated in Texas). My work and interest in UFO field is to find people who claim alleged alien contact and my job is to see if we can find physical evidence to support those cases.

When did you start studying abductions and why?

You might say I started studyind abductions because I was captured by aliens. My abduction started in 1952 and it was really heavy. What happened during that time: I noticed there was something in the room. I was not asleep, I was quite awake. I was not paralysed, I was moving. I didn’t understand what the thing was, it was very tall and skinny (for me it was tall).
I didn’t understand what it was because children see things different than adults. The first thing I noticed was very large black eyes, but the eyes were perfectly round, they were not like in the Hollywood movies, more ellyptical. The second thing I noticed is that he didn’t have genitalia, tetties, he didn’t have any belly button. Now I’m an investigator, I’m not confused: when I see something who doesn’t have genitalia, doesn’t reproduce, if he doesn’t have tetties doesn’t nurse, if he doesn’t have belly button, he never was born. So I know more about what there was in that room now than I did know at the time.

What are the techniques do you generally use to recover abductees’ memories and how do you know it is a real memory?

The difference betwen MEMOREX and MEMORY. They are three questions.

The first question: it has to do with how we get information from people we think are credible. It doesnt’ help me if I get a thousand people telling me stories that aren’t true. It would put me back in the dark ages if I had bad information. So, it is imperative to me: quality, good, credible, reasonably proovable information.
I used to be a police officer. When you get in touch with people of any kind, telling you all kind of stories, you get the pretty good sense whether people are telling the truth or not. But besides that, I’ve develped other technics, other training, so that now I can actually teach in college how to see if someone is telling you the truth or not.
All this is not a brag: there are skills that have to be very well developped because we are talking very serious here: if there is in fact an alien presence on this planet, who’s actually abducting people, this is as serious as we guess, so we have to be very sure of our information.

If a person pass my visual test, I listen to his “linguistic pattern”: the key worlds he use demonstrate a lot to me, a thousand of things. If he passes all of that... then I want him fill up this longform. While he’s filling up this form and hand it to me, I look his handwrite: if he has a propension to lie, to deceive, to exagerate, this will all shown in his handwrite. So, long before I get question, I know more about them, to they about themselves.

Second question: how do you help him to recon memories. First of all, there are two groups of people who have these experiences, there are two kinds of people who come out of this experience.
The first group are people called “abductees”. These are people who feel like be kidnapped, they feel “I’m an abductee” (that0s the way I was).
There is another group come back from these events: they feel something like “cosmic consciousness” “wisdom in the sky”, and they feel in some way blessed. Many of these people have been left to believe by the alien entities another story, it is not what happened at all. This is called “screen saver memory”. The term “screen memory” comes form Freud and it refers to traumathised people who develope false memories.
While the term “screen saver” refers, of course, to the computer, because if you shake the mouse the screen saver would dissapear. Screen saver is part of the memory, but not the real one. The real memory is the hard drive, and I want to pass this screen saver and get to the hard drive, and we have techniques to do it very well.
The fact is we rarelly use hypnosis, and as a therapy, when the person ask me.
When they find out what really happened it’s nothing like the screen saver memory, it did shake their concepts of reality.

The next thing: what else to use if you don’t use hypnosis.

Well, I use a number of conscious techniques. There are ways you can access a person’s subconscious, on the conscious level. You don’t have to hypnotise him to do it. Most people don’t know how to do that, so they put someone in hypnosis. The problem with that is this: if you hypnotise a person’s screen saver memory, you’ll get an illusion, and what you have done is create a contactee: they had an experience but they still don’t know what it was.

You are known all over the world for your researches on implants. According to your experience, all the abductees have got implants?

The fact is that implants are very rare, very rare. I looked at hundred of hight ray every year, and I find very few objects, really, and very few of those are actually implants.
The fact is that a former collegue of mine is proliferating a lot of information about implents being in every kind of people, and it’s not true, it never was true and I’ve neve stated that. Implants are very rare, they really are.

 

Have you got any idea about the funcion of implats?

Yes.

Can you tell me, please?

No.
I probably will tell what I think implants really are, this next year.
But I will tell you what they are not: they are not transponder, they are not inside everyone to find him. They are not anything like that, they never were, this is not what they are designed for, that’s not what their function is.

I’m writing a book (I’ve almost finished it) where I’ll publish all my researches. It’s 300 pages and I’ll probably put it aside a CD rom, as well, because there are many images we want to put. If we put all images in a book, it would be very expensive, and I want t make my work available to people and as cheap as possible, and the best way to do that is to put it on a CD rom.

Abduction is not a recent phenomenon. The first studied case, that of Betty and Burney Hill, goes back to 1962, but we have some historical evidences indicating possible abductions in a remoter past. According to your studies have you ever found a change, may be an evolution, in the way abductions are made, or actions and situations are the same, despite the passing of time?

For most part, I think that abductions are really consistent. I have cases very similar to that of Betty and Burney Hill. In these cases its a surgical matter. Women who claim to be artificial inseminated, pregnant....
But the fact is that abductions has being going on for quite a while. I know they were going on in 1952 because I was there. The abducion that I experienced back in 1952 is not the same to what’s going on to people today.
There are many differences in lot of abducion stories when you get contactees. Theirs stories often are a lot and there will be things being in higher schools of consciousness, everything wonderfull, and all this kind of things. It doesn’t mean that all abductions have to be necessary negative, I don’t mean that. What I’m saying is: among abductees you get different stories, many times and the reason, I think, is simply because they remember what the aliens let them believe.

You made a difference between “abductees” and “contactees”. But to be a contactee or an abductee does it depend on “you” or on “abducters”?

Both. Let’s giving two examples: immagine abductee is a little mouse. Aliens are holding him by his tail, they make him do whatever they want, they make him rolling, jump, stand up, and laugh. He does everything they tell him. They will impress him contactee’s memory. Then they also pick up another little mouse. This one is fighting, he doesn’t obey. This is an abductee: he remembers. They let him remember, to punish him , in some way.
But it doesn’t make any difference, they all have got the same experience. The question is: who remembers what?

Carlo Sabadin, Sims and Giulia D'Ambrosio (Thanks to Sentinel Foundation)

Some people criticise you because they say you have never shown the prooves of your researches. What do you answer, if you want to give an answer, of course?

I had a man come to me. I was speaking in a college. He walked by my display and he said:
“ This is all junk”
“ Really? What is your profession?” I asked.
“ I’m an engineer here, at the university.”
“ Wonderfull, I’m glad hear that. How do you know all that is junk?”
“ What could it be? It’s stupid thing”
“ You are not an engineer”
“ Yes, I am. I have a degree, I have papers”.
“ No, you aren’t”
“ Why are you saying I’m not an engineer..?”
“ Because an engineer is a scientist. He will look at the evidence to study the case. Did you know I have four hundred pages of scientific evidences just on that implant right there? Four hundred pages!
I’m not sure you are qualified even to look at it, but it doesn’t make any difference, because you are not a scientist any way. If you were a scientist you would have asked where is you data and you would look at them first.
It’s funny I dont’t get all these people ask me questions like “where is your data” and sometimes I wonder if all that kind of stuff is motivated by people who simply didn0t find something by themselves and may be they are jealous, I don’t know... what the motivation is...

But I can say this: I kept some of my information very private for quite a while and then a collegue of mine get together with another person. They took those researches, put them on their own book and talked about them as their own work.

Why do you think I dont’t want to give all my information out to everybody who wants to print it on a book and call it their own researches? When I’ll put it in my own book, then they can read it and they can say it’s good or not.
But the fact is that some of my researches was actually published in the Royal Society Chemical Engineers. Where’s their papers?

1) I read that in an article you said having worked on a stun to neutralize aliens. Is it true or is is only an “UFO gossip”?

There are so many stories in ufology that it is hard to discern sometimes between the humor, the illogic and what might eve be true. The best thing in these cases, is to ask the person.
Firstly, thank you for doing that!
My answer is: it is true that I think that an alien can be caught. I didn’t say all aliens, I said “an alien”.
Why? Because aliens have got “habits”. Humans have got habits and that’s why they can catch us.
If anything have habits anything can get caught. So we have worked on some ideas about how to do that and we hope to implement that in the future.

2) Have you ever tried to interact with abductors, in some way?

Yes. If an alien experience is real, there must be some way to intervene, to interfere, in some way cause it desruption of the pattern of abduction. What would happen if it occured?

A lady came to me in great tears, crying and said: They said they will gona kill me... my children next... they told me never to give you any more information.
I said “I will help you defend you and your children”.

I gave her two kinds of suggestion for the next time the alien would have come: I told her the sensation of paralysis, before an abduction, is not true, it’s only a suggestion, to which she always obeys. Next time she would have to fight back, to break the order and she did so.

When the lady came back to me, she described everything had happened: she could resist... and the alien could’n believe it. He came closer, may be to punish her. Then she could hit him and take him under her control: he wasn’t hurted, he wasn’t screaming, he wasn’t anything like you think because they are not like us. THEY ARE NOT LIKE US; that’s why they are here. Whatever it is you have, they want, and they dond’t know how to get it. That’s why they are still being there.

But what do they want exactley?

We are not really sure, but we have something...
I can give you an illustration: we use a very little percentage of our brain.
The question is: who do you think might be actually using the remaining percentage of our brain?
Somebody who has come long, long way to find out what you have and I think, probably to exploit it. The problem is, they are still test doing how they can get it.
Whatever it is they are here for, it isn’t gold, it isn’t money. They don’t care about our planet. All they care about is you. And not everybody, just some of you. More specificly, just your lineage. You family line. And not everybody, just some in family lineage.

So they don’t care about intelligence, for example?

They are not interested in IQ of abductees. We have abductees who have genious IQ, but most of abductees are normal people. The third class of people you find are people who show mental deficiencies.
The Greys only do what they are programmed to do. If you do something different or even violent, in the abduction, they don’t know what to do, they don’t understand. So they are used to come back with the “doctor”, type who looks similar too, but it’s taller. He knows what to do. He’s a dark character. He “feels”, he usually is very “affective”, because he knows in this way you will comply. You might think at them as the SS of Aliens.

I don’t know what they want and they won’t tell anybody.
The thing I know about the alien for sure is that they lie. They lie all the time, they never tell the truth.
I used to belong to the CIA. What do you think we did in the CIA? Deceive people. I don’t believe they want to interfere with our consciousness. My question is: why are they doing what they are doing? I mean: if they are all so powerfull, and they can do everything, why deception? What’s the problem?
Abductee sees they have better technology and thinks they can do everything. Why does it not work? It’s lie, it’s not true at all. They do what they are instructed to do, and there’s somebody who tells them what to do and it isn’t too little cosmic alien called “doctor”, is someone else. There is a structure, beside the alien presence, that is huge, vast and different, in my opinion, than the ufo comunity even has a clue about.

Interview performed by Lavinia Pallotta, Sentinel Foundation President, Camelot Group member, October 12, 2004

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